“The text can be changed, the Democratic Party doesn’t just say no” – Corriere.it

Minister Luca Ciriani, why did you scold the members of the government?

“I didn’t scold them.”

And that letter you sent them about too many absences in committee?

«It was supposed to remain confidential, but never mind. It was just a reminder of a sense of responsibility.”

Whose?

«Of all, me first. We knew that cutting the number of parliamentarians would have made it more difficult to reconcile parliamentary and committee work with government commitments. But you have to grit your teeth and “bolt the machine”».

Is it the fault of the stop imposed by the mourning for Silvio Berlusconi if ​​there is now no time?

“It does not have anything to do with it. The committees in the House continued to work. There is no time because there are so many important deadlines».

Which ones do you think about?

“There are so many things to do. The fiscal delegation is very important and must proceed expeditiously, there is the law against violence against women which we care a lot about and now the Nordio reform will also arrive, the process of which promises to be complicated ».

When it arrives?

«It should be stamped on Monday. And on Tuesday it could be sent to the Chamber».

Why complicated process? Do you want to approve it quickly?

“Ninth. It will be a broad debate, with the times it requires a big question.

So without “take it or leave it” or, perhaps, resorting to trust?

“Hand. Nothing is perfect. Changes can also be made. Even if I don’t understand what the difficulty of the opposition is in sitting down and discussing it”.

Is it an appeal?

«I would like to understand: what do you intend to do? Even Elly Schlein on the reforms I didn’t quite understand what he thought. Now about justice all the same. I’d like to know if it’s always and just a no on everything or if we can talk about it. If we all agree that we have to close a season of “barbarism” what is the difficulty?»

Why does everyone say okay?

“There is agreement both on the need to interrupt a media-judicial circuit that has produced degeneration – so much so that, as Nordio explained, guarantee information has now been transformed into guarantee information – and on the fact that private facts are ended up in all the newspapers. On the abuse of office, the Anci has expressed itself in favor of its abolition, the magistrates admit that the vast majority of trials end up in nothing, the mayors of the Democratic Party themselves say that it should be abolished. At that time?”.

At that time?

‘Why all this surprise and shouting of scandal for supposed favors to dishonest people?’

Maurizio Busia, president of Anti-corruption, warns that the reform violates UN and EU conventions and controls are needed to prevent the Pnrr from going astray. And Maurizio Gasparri (FI) invites him to evaluate a new assignment. Intolerance of criticism?

“I reverse the question. Isn’t there intolerance to the provisions of this executive? The government does what it was voted to do. Sometimes magistrates give too many interviews. Busia’s statements seem to me to have a more political than technical flavor».

Minister Nordio says that corruption cannot be fought with criminal law. Will organized crime’s assault on the Pnrr’s river of money be stopped without it?

«Minister Nordio as a magistrate fought against corruption. The multiplication and stratification of criminal laws has not helped to stop it. But you can’t say no to the bridge, or to the third lane, because otherwise you’ll steal from it. We need to find a balance.”

Do you share the dedication of the reform to Silvio Berlusconi?

“It is a reform that had to be done and that we wanted to do”.

Forza Italia dedicated it to him.

“It is a reform that Berlusconi would have approved, having also written the majority programme, because it is a reform that serves the country”.

Which party will be the one without Silvio Berlusconi?

“It’s still too early to tell. We must have great respect for Forza Italia and attention, given that there is no other Silvio Berlusconi. My hope is that the centre-right will remain as it is now: three independent but allied parties that have been able to win the general elections and will also be able to win the European elections”.

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