“I’m staying in my place. 41 bis and life imprisonment are unassailable»- Corriere.it

Undersecretary of Justice Andrea Delmastro, do you and your colleague and friend Giovanni Donzelli plan to resign as requested by the opposition?

“No. Because?”.

For those talks that she revealed and he made public between Alfredo Cospito and a Camorrista and a killer of the ‘Ndrangheta, in which the criminals encouraged the anarchist to go ahead in his fast against the 41 bis, hoping for an intervention by Europe ” which maybe even takes away the life imprisonment impediment». Shouldn’t they have been kept secret?
“No. They were in a relationship based on the observation of prison officers who do their job well, paying attention to prisoners in 41 bis”.

Minister Nordio spoke of “sensitive” information whose level of secrecy must be known. Which?
“Nobody. They are not classified, or secreted or even reserved.

Why didn’t he say that?

“I think you’ll check the shorthand. We ask him for an evaluation, not an act of faith».

Bonelli (Avs) has denounced Donzelli for revealing confidential information. Are you telling lies?

«I think he’s in good faith: he’s talking about wiretaps. But I’m not. And not even environmental uptakes».

Did Giorgia Meloni know of what would happen?

“No, neither do I. Donzelli asked me. I answered, and then he intervened ».

And didn’t you hear from the premier after this tussle?
“Today (yesterday, ed). She asked me if it was classified information. I told her no. I add: in a country where it is reported that too many state secrets are being kept because, in a case where citizens can know, I should have behaved like someone who wants to keep them in the dark?»

Is Undersecretary Mantovano irritated?

“Absolutely not. We spoke and I confirmed to him that they are not classified documents”.

Is it normal that internal acts are used to raise doubts about the anti-mafia line of the Democratic Party?

“I just answered a question.”

What was the question?
«That if there were welds between anarchists and mafiosi. And I replied that we only have elements that suggest a common battle against the 41 bis. In addition to Cospito’s fast, who wants to have all prisoners revoked, I mentioned those talks. I would have done it in a parliamentary question with more precision. I have a duty.”

There are those who accuse you of having let the mafiosi know, revealing those conversations, which are being heard in prison.

“Why, the prisoners in 41 bis don’t know that there is a penitentiary police?”.

Did you reveal to Donzelli that the PD deputies had seen Cospito in prison the same day he spoke to the Camorra and ‘Ndrangheta about how to eliminate the 41 bis?
“I told him when the interview took place. They had a press conference. You will have understood it like this ».

Do you think he was wrong?

“No. Because he used correct information to make a political assessment that can be shared or not».

Do you share it? Do you think the Democratic Party or other political forces want to eliminate the 41 bis?
“I don’t ask myself that question. I think that as long as we are in government, 41 bis and life imprisonment are unassailable”.

Does one hold the other?

“They hold hands politically. They are instruments of the special anti-mafia legislation: together they will stand or together they will fall”.

Renzi makes fun of those who “confuse the bedroom with the bedroom”, because she and Donzelli share an apartment in Rome. Did she go like this?

“No. We talked about it in Montecitorio».

How long have you known each other?

“For at least 25 years.”

Have you always gotten along?
“In reverse. In the youth movement we “pecked” each other often. I’m from Biella, he’s Tuscan. He was the protagonist of the right, I of the social right ».

And then?
«Then everything changed when FdI was born. All the cards have been reshuffled. Politics and humans. We found ourselves in harmony and have been sharing the apartment since the last legislature».

Tell the truth: did you take the report home and did Donzelli read it?

“Absolutely not”.