“Enough with the primary, we need a new party. The history of the left does not rely on the 5 Stars »- Corriere.it

Pier Luigi Bersani, have you already made peace with the blow?

“We look forward. It makes no sense to claim, nor to go back to what has already been said ».

«We have been friends for a lifetime, it is ridiculous to throw the question only on Letta. This right is not a majority in the country. Our problem is to build an alternative project, which did not appear in these elections. From the day after the Conte II government had to work in another way, tighten the bolts of a progressive camp ».

And now, where do we start from?

«From the scenery. In recent years the gap in inequality has widened dramatically, the slice of Italians out of the game has grown. We will have very difficult months, with strong social tensions. And the elites, another factor of weakness, have lost sensitivity on the fact that this country must be kept together ».

What will the next government have to do?

«The answer key is called solidarity, other than“ dear Europe, the godsend is over ”. I believe that Meloni too realizes that the way to defend Italian interests is to build European solidarity, because some countries have the money and we have debts. On this first challenge, it is immediately clear what kind of government and opposition we will have. It will take money, lots of it. And since we say no to amnesties and debt, all that remains is to take them where they are ».

Won’t you think about a property tax?

“I think we need to raise 20 or 30 billion from the extra profits of those who, including Covid, weapons and energy, have made a lot of money. And if that is not enough, from a progressiveness of the assets that already exist. Or again, from a solidarity contribution from the highest incomes. Otherwise all that remains is the amnesties and the debt ».

How do you assess the relationship between Draghi and Meloni? Injury or orderly transition?

“Giorgia Meloni is swimming across the sea between saying and doing”.

«He will swim, maybe he will get there. Now he has to deal with problems and tries to give a few shots on the side of the politically correct. After the crossing, if the right is that of amnesties, tax relaxation and the gift to the corporations, he will find himself in very serious trouble. Then, going forward, I imagine they will want to put their hands on some of their flags, like touching the Constitution ».

Are the Italians ready for presidentialism?

“Deep down, on rights or on the flat tax, there is no right-wing wave. Only one point can capture and that is presidentialism, but to those who have not recognized April 25, the Italians will say no. Until Meloni and his company do not realize they are swearing on a republican and anti-fascist Constitution, I believe that the Italians will not allow them to touch a comma of the Constitution ».

Are you asking Meloni to renounce fascism?

“I don’t want abjurations, nor verbal condemnations. But speaking of pacification, Meloni must take note that April 25 is a historical fact, as the French aristocrats do when they celebrate July 14. Because if you don’t take note of the history and the Constitution you swear by, it’s a big problem. And I would like to inform that Hello beautiful they are singing it in Iran and all over the world ».

On September 26, from the right, they mocked you with a “belli, ciao!” Is the left refounded with the Pd congress?

«In the assembly in which we from Articolo Uno broke with the Democratic Party, February 2017, in an era of overt catastrophe of Renzism, we desperately called for a true congress with the voice of Guglielmo Epifani. Not to elect the ship’s captain, but to put the ship on a radically new course. After five years we are still there ».

Should the Democratic Party be dissolved, as Rosy Bindi asked?

«The Democratic Party will decide a path. If there is a contribution to be made for discussion, we will be there, we have never moved away from the idea of ​​a government left. But it is clear that our first question will be “at the end of the path is there a new party or do you put up the gazebos to choose the captain?”. This is crucial. Enough primary. The dilemma is not to dissolve or not to dissolve, it is to widen, it is the need for a profile, a connection with the theme of work, an adequate party form. I call it a new party ».

And the 5 Stars, outside or inside?

«They showed sensitivity to acute issues such as poverty, the environment, rights, political sobriety. Themes useful for the definition of a progressive field, but which do not affect the structures of equality to be redesigned: rights and dignity of work, progressive taxation, universal welfare, industrial and environmental policies on which the left has had the power for decades. know how and which cannot be delegated to others “.

What does it say to those dem who dream of leading Count?

“It’s an optical effect. The problems are not solved with the leaders, by finding the Mandrake or the Mandrake on duty ».

Bonaccini, or Elly Schlein?

“Certainly it is not up to me to say it, for me a new party is the leader after he has discussed and decided on a line that this leader is able to represent”.

“I don’t know how long they last. But if they fall this time it will be necessary to go and vote with a new law, a proportional one with the possibility of choosing the deputy. If we do not want to find ourselves voting in 4 cats ».

They will hold on to the law that made them win.

“In short, if a serious progressive camp were organized, they could doubt that they will make it to the next round.”