“Eavesdropping? With trojans you can falsify messages, it is a reform to be done with a scalpel»- Corriere.it

There is a new CSM, the first elected with new rules. President Mattarella recalled the value of the independence of the judiciary. Giulia Bongiorno, president of the Senate Justice Commission, which CSM will it be?

«The independence of the judiciary is a cornerstone of the liberal state and the CSM should assign the most suitable magistrates to the highest judicial offices, regardless of current affiliations. Unfortunately, on the other hand, often in reality dividing logics prevailed. The system introduced by Cartabia, which the League had criticized, has changed nothing. Now we need a profound reform ».

Vice-President Luigi Pinelli is supported by the League, how do you think it will affect?

«All the newly elected have excellent professional qualities, it is irrelevant who supported the vice president. We are interested in operating with transparency, putting aside exaggerated current accountism and careerism».

In the meantime, however, we are discussing interceptions. In the Commission you have had many hearings. What emerged?

“Helpful points to think about”.

Which?

«In particular, I was struck by learning that the contents of mobile phones could be altered using trojans: therefore, messages could be forged, for example. There is a glaring regulatory gap on this point.

Minister Nordio has been criticized in recent days. Did he do something wrong?

«Useless controversies, because there is still no reform. The League is at the side of the minister, with conviction ».

Giorgia Meloni asked not to get into confrontation with the magistrates.

«I agree: in the past, in the season of clashes, I have always tried to mediate».

Will the issue of interceptions be addressed, postponed or limited to sanctioning publication?

«On the interceptions, some stakes in terms of usability indicated by the same jurisprudence could be implemented, recovering ideas of a guarantor matrix offered by the united sections of the Cassation, then rejected by the individual courts. Important contributions also come from the judiciary. It is a reform to be done with the scalpel: one must intervene only where necessary, both on the subject of publication and on that of use».

The prime minister calls for common sense, Berlusconi defines the reform as essential. How does it come out?

«We are all aligned, we all want incisive reforms that have the efficiency of justice as their starting point. But then the reform will have to be extended to the penal code, the CSM, wiretapping and other topics included in the programme”.

Do the upcoming regional elections influence the debate on justice?

“The opposition seeks divisions in the majority that do not exist: having different ideas on how to change a law is physiological, there is never a single technical solution”.

Silvio Berlusconi intervenes personally, calls for reform and claims affinity with Nordio. The Third Pole offers a “guaranteed” bank. What political developments can there be in relations within the majority?

«The League is also a guarantor, as demonstrated by the referendum we have carried out. This is not in contrast with the certainty of punishment, another issue that is close to our hearts. For the rest, we are talking about an abstract debate: first we see the texts, then who will actually agree on them».

Salvini wore the unprecedented role of the peacemaker. Was there an intervention by him?

“No, but I agree. Justice is a complex matter, and it is essential to try to involve the judiciary and the lawyers, also to avoid the repetition of reforms announced as saving, but which have proved to be useless, if not harmful, when tested by the facts”.